Proc rates info

[Croix VorAbaddon]

well, here it is with combat rounds/proc added in.
for augment procs the number of combat rounds has the number of primary procs subtracted from it, and for combat innate procs the number of combat rounds has the number of primary and augment procs subtracted from it.

this pretty well fits in with the theory that all procs have an equal chance to proc in any given round, except if a primary proc goes off in that round, then an augment or buff can't, and if an augment goes off, then a buff can't. so... the number of rounds are reduced and apparent proc rate is reduced for the procs with lower precedence.


here are formulas i propose to estimate proc rates based on weapon delay:

definitions:
D: default proc rate (2 per minute at 305 dex)
M: modification to standard proc rate (for weapons with non standard proc rates)
P: primary proc rate
A: augment proc rate
W: weapon affinity mod (1 + WA level / 10)
delay: weapons hasted delay (ie, this is 15 for a 30 delay weapon at 100% haste)


primary proc rate: D * W * M
augment proc rate: D * W * (1 - delay * P / 600)
buff proc rate: D * (1 - delay * P / 600 - delay * A / 600)

now... here are expected proc rates based on this, at 305 dexterity:

wa: weapon affinity level
pri: primary proc rate (unaffected by weapon delay)
aug: augment proc rate
buf: buff proc rate (with augment)
bna: buff proc rate (with no augment)
(all proc rates are in procs/minute)

wa: - 0 - |- 1 - |- 2 - |- 3 - |- 4 - |- 5 - |
pri: 2.00 | 2.20 | 2.40 | 2.60 | 2.80 | 3.00 |
10 delay
aug: 1.93 | 2.12 | 2.30 | 2.49 | 2.67 | 2.85 |
buf: 1.87 | 1.86 | 1.84 | 1.83 | 1.82 | 1.80 |
bna: 1.93 | 1.93 | 1.92 | 1.91 | 1.91 | 1.90 |
12 delay
aug: 1.92 | 2.10 | 2.28 | 2.46 | 2.64 | 2.82 |
buf: 1.84 | 1.83 | 1.81 | 1.80 | 1.78 | 1.77 |
bna: 1.92 | 1.91 | 1.90 | 1.90 | 1.89 | 1.88 |
14 delay
aug: 1.91 | 2.09 | 2.27 | 2.44 | 2.62 | 2.79 |
buf: 1.82 | 1.80 | 1.78 | 1.76 | 1.75 | 1.73 |
bna: 1.91 | 1.90 | 1.89 | 1.88 | 1.87 | 1.86 |
16 delay
aug: 1.89 | 2.07 | 2.25 | 2.42 | 2.59 | 2.76 |
buf: 1.79 | 1.77 | 1.75 | 1.73 | 1.71 | 1.69 |
bna: 1.89 | 1.88 | 1.87 | 1.86 | 1.85 | 1.84 |
18 delay
aug: 1.88 | 2.05 | 2.23 | 2.40 | 2.56 | 2.73 |
buf: 1.77 | 1.74 | 1.72 | 1.70 | 1.68 | 1.66 |
bna: 1.88 | 1.87 | 1.86 | 1.84 | 1.83 | 1.82 |
20 delay
aug: 1.87 | 2.04 | 2.21 | 2.37 | 2.54 | 2.70 |
buf: 1.74 | 1.72 | 1.69 | 1.67 | 1.64 | 1.62 |
bna: 1.87 | 1.85 | 1.84 | 1.83 | 1.81 | 1.80 |
22 delay
aug: 1.85 | 2.02 | 2.19 | 2.35 | 2.51 | 2.67 |
buf: 1.72 | 1.69 | 1.66 | 1.64 | 1.61 | 1.58 |
bna: 1.85 | 1.84 | 1.82 | 1.81 | 1.79 | 1.78 |
24 delay
aug: 1.84 | 2.01 | 2.17 | 2.33 | 2.49 | 2.64 |
buf: 1.69 | 1.66 | 1.63 | 1.61 | 1.58 | 1.55 |
bna: 1.84 | 1.82 | 1.81 | 1.79 | 1.78 | 1.76 |
26 delay
aug: 1.83 | 1.99 | 2.15 | 2.31 | 2.46 | 2.61 |
buf: 1.67 | 1.64 | 1.61 | 1.57 | 1.54 | 1.51 |
bna: 1.83 | 1.81 | 1.79 | 1.77 | 1.76 | 1.74 |
28 delay
aug: 1.81 | 1.97 | 2.13 | 2.28 | 2.43 | 2.58 |
buf: 1.64 | 1.61 | 1.58 | 1.54 | 1.51 | 1.48 |
bna: 1.81 | 1.79 | 1.78 | 1.76 | 1.74 | 1.72 |
30 delay
aug: 1.80 | 1.96 | 2.11 | 2.26 | 2.41 | 2.55 |
buf: 1.62 | 1.58 | 1.55 | 1.51 | 1.48 | 1.44 |
bna: 1.80 | 1.78 | 1.76 | 1.74 | 1.72 | 1.70 |
32 delay
aug: 1.79 | 1.94 | 2.09 | 2.24 | 2.38 | 2.52 |
buf: 1.60 | 1.56 | 1.52 | 1.48 | 1.45 | 1.41 |
bna: 1.79 | 1.77 | 1.74 | 1.72 | 1.70 | 1.68 |

This is from http://www.shadowknight.org/forums/s...5&pagenumber=3. Not sure how much longer that'll last, but trying to get the info over.

Another related post:

on topic, since people keep posting misinformation...
you can proc multiple times per swing, the only thing that can't go off at the same time is primary & aug... so you can get the following combinations in one combat round:
primary
aug
SoD
TotC
primary + SoD
primary + TotC
aug + SoD
aug + TotC
SoD+TotC
primary+SoD+TotC
aug+SoD+TotC

with WA5 and around 290 dex, using a 30 delay weapon with 41% worn haste, over a 317 minute period (8691 combat rounds) i got:
941 primary procs (2.97/min)
843 augment procs (2.66/min)
634 SoD procs (2.00/min)
630 TotC procs (1.99/min)

so...
the number of procs per minute is
primary: 2 + 0.2*wa
augment: primary* (1 - primary * delay / 600)
SoD: 2
ToTC: 2

for example for the augment proc rate:
with my 30 delay weapon and 41% haste, the delay was 30 / 1.41 = 21.277
so expected proc rate was 3 * (1 - 3 * 21.277 / 600) = 3 * (1 - 0.1064) = 2.68 expected ppm, which is just about what happened over the 5 hour parse.

no, and you can't proc with a 2h bash either, or on a riposte. proc checks only occur at the beginning of each combat round. combat rounds go like this:
primary proc chance OR secondary proc
buff proc OR other buff proc OR other buff proc
ToTC proc
swing
another swing if dual wield checks
another swing if triple attack checks

Both qoutes attributed to Window, linked here

[Damiclease Daemonblade]

the +combat effects on items is apparently a proc mod. warriors i know luv the mod for agro procs

[Wyrdlan]

Ban him, please. You are, of course, not incorrect. Combat Effects is apparently added to your weapon's ProcMod, where 100 is the normal 2PPM. In other words, you will average roughly 1% more procs per minute for each point of Combat Effects.

I still think you should be banned, you annoy me, and that's not easy to do.

[Brael]

Originally Posted by Damiclease Daemonblade

the +combat effects on items is apparently a proc mod. warriors i know luv the mod for agro procs

You fail at looking at the date something is posted, you however succeed at pointing out I forgot to lock this thread.